Macaulay Morrison Family
The Past & Present
Interview with
Anne & Angus Macaulay
This interview was conducted between Anne Macaulay and her Uncle Angus Macaulay during a visit to her apartment while he was visiting his brother Neil and family in Montreal on June 1st, 1989. She was asking him to explain and add some colour to a genealogy chart they had in front of them: MACAULAY OF LOCH CARNAN which Marion Dureau, Uncle Angus' granddaughter, had transcribed. Xander Macaulay-Rettino transcribed the interview and enhanced the audio version.
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Macaulay of Loch Carnan | Genealogy
00:00:05 ANNE | And I'm privileged to have Uncle Angus staying here, and we're going to just look at the family tree here, and see what's what.
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00:00:18 ANGUS | Yeah. Hm. Macaulay of Loch Carnan.
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00:00:29 ANNE | Is that a place?
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00:00:30 ANGUS | Yes, it's a place, yes. And the [inaudible 00:00:35] Donald Ruch'na jajkin, 00:00:38 That’s Red Donald. Red headed. He married Morag Campbell, and she also was of South Uist, but over across 00:00:54 from Loch Carnan, at Peters—Peters Port, in Benbecula. Their family was… Mary—oh no. Their family—Donald and Morag—was Mary Ann, the oldest, and Alasdair, who was called Sandy. And my father, Neil.
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00:01:25 ANNE | Oh, that's the Neil. Okay.
00:01:28 ANGUS | And they had another Mary. Then there was Angus and John, who were two young boys, and were drowned. In the wintertime, they were on the sea ice, going over to a little island [inaudible 00:01:48] to cut sticks to play shinty.
00:01:54 ANNE | They both died?
00:01:56 ANGUS | They both—they both were drowned. And at that same time, their mother was in labour with another son. And he was born, and they called him after the two boys, Angus John. And then the youngest boy was Colin. Then in the family—the families of these—Mary Ann was the oldest. Her family—she married Archie MacPhee, from South Uist. And they married in Glasgow, and he was on the police force. He becomes—
00:02:38 ANNE | [Ringing sound] Excuse me, I'm just going to stop for a minute.
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00:02:40 ANGUS | Yeah, you can stop.
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00:02:42 ANGUS | Yes, we were at the family of Mary Ann. She married Archie MacPhee in Glasgow. He was on the Glasgow police, and he goes to be a lieutenant on the police force [inaudible 00:03:02]. The oldest daughter was Kate. She was a nurse, and she died in 1920. She would maybe be in her—well, around early thirties. [Inaudible 00:03:26]. And the other—next daughter was Mona. Her name was really Morag, the same as her grandmother, but they called her Mona. And she also was a nurse. And she married Dr. McGilligan. They lived in Doncaster, England, and I met them during the war. They had three children. Mary is the one that we knew the most, because she was at home longer—longest. And she married a doctor too—Dr. Macmillan. [Inaudible 00:04:15]. Dr. Macmillan, he was the head of the mental hospital in Nottingham . And I visited there during the war too. And they had three children. And Dugald, the only son, was—emigrated to Australia after World War I. He was in the army during the war. And—in Australia. And stayed for a while with his uncle, Angus John, in Sydney. And he got married. He disappeared. Lost touch—the family lost touch with him. The next in the family was Alasdair, Sandy. And he married Mary MacDonald from Loch Carnan. He lived in Glasgow, very close by us. And we—we—hasn't been a lot [inaudible 00:05:31]. And their oldest daughter was Kate. She married Angus Morrison, from Iochdar in South Uist. He was on the Glasgow police force, and was a piper in a band. They had two children. And she died young. She died before we left [inaudible 00:06:02]. But she died soon after [inaudible] for that time. Angus, the oldest boy, married a Glasgow girl.
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00:06:14 ANNE | Mhm. Do you know her name? [Chuckles]
00:06:16 ANGUS | No. And he was a railway engineer. And he moved to London when they amalgamated the different railways. I met him during the war, in London, and they had a large family. And Angus John—they called him Johnny—also married a Glasgow girl. And they had one daughter. Alex, he also married a Glasgow girl, but we haven’t the names.
00:06:56 ANNE | It was a good place to go for girls, eh?
00:06:58 ANGUS | Yes, well, we were living there. And I met him during the war, he worked in the shipyards. But he died shortly after the end of the war. [Inaudible 00:07:15] They had two children. What’s this? Joan, yeah. Joan, the youngest. No, she was—yes, she was the youngest. But there was another daughter in between there, Morag. And she never married. She must've died shortly after we were over—our trip over there.
00:07:49 ANNE | So she belongs here. 00:07:50
00:07:51 ANGUS | Yeah, Morag.
00:07:52 ANNE | Okay.
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00:07:55 ANGUS | [Inaudible] a mistake.
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00:07:59 ANNE | Hm.
00:08:01 ANGUS | Morag–she never married, so [inaudible 00:08:03]— Joan married this John Macmillan 00:08:06 from Iochdar. They made their home in Glasgow. They had one daughter. Now we come to Neil.
00:08:20 ANNE | Who's my grandfather.
00:08:22 ANGUS | My father. Your grandfather.
00:08:23 ANNE | My grandfather.
00:08:24 ANGUS | Yeah, exactly.
00:08:25 ANNE | But you know what I noticed, is that Sandy married a Mary MacDonald…
00:08:29 ANGUS | Yes.
00:08:30 ANNE | And Neil married a Mary MacDonald.
00:08:33 ANGUS | And there's Angus John.
00:08:37 ANNE | Here?
00:08:37 ANGUS | No, Uncle Angus John, he also married a MacDonald. I don't know if she was a Mary.
00:08:43 ANNE | No kidding.
00:08:43 ANGUS | I think she was Mary, yes. 00:08:44
00:08:45 ANNE | Wow. So they weren't from the—where was, uhm...
00:08:51 ANGUS | My mother?
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00:08:51 ANNE | Your mother from?
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00:08:52 ANGUS | Well, she... her father and mother were from Uist, of course. But they—[inaudible 00:09:02]
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00:09:03 ANNE | Is Loch Carnan a part of Uist?
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00:09:06 ANGUS | Yes. Yeah, it's a loch.
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00:09:06 ANNE | Yeah, it's a section?
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00:09:09 ANGUS | Well, it become the main... port. 00:09:11 They built the oil tanks there, I think, they loaded to the airport during the war, when they put a pipeline on Loch Carnan right to the airport. [Inaudible 00:09:32] Because there was a good harbour there, you get the ports. There was a good harbour there and that's why—
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00:09:43 ANNE | So you could either say Loch Carnan or South Uist, it's almost the same thing?
00:09:47 ANGUS | Loch—It's quite—yes, that's right.
00:09:50 ANNE | Okay.
00:09:51 ANGUS | Just to make you... you'll get the history of this for the [inaudible] Neil MacDonald [sic] married Mary MacDonald, who is my mother, of course. He had been a deep sea captain—sailor, no—sailor, until he married in 1902. He then joined the Clyde Trust as a ferryman.
00:10:25 ANNE | What was the Clyde Trust?
00:10:27 ANGUS | That was the—the Clyde Trust was a corporation that was running all navigation on the river.
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00:10:36 ANNE | I see.
00:10:36 ANGUS | Or to do with the river. He died in 1920—two years before we emigrated to Canada. Mary, with her family, emigrated to Canada, and sailed on Marloch, March 1924.
00:11:03 ANNE | So we know the name of the boat, of the ship.
00:11:08 ANGUS | That was four years. 00:11:07 That's—that's wrong. It's [inaudible] two years. That should've been—right here. 1922, my father died. And you can—well, don't change that. Write it on that question. [Inaudible 00:11:33] you can check that. I'm sure it was just two years. On the Marloch, 1924, they came first to Red Deer, Alberta. Then to Clandonald, Alberta. [inaudible 00:11:52]
00:11:55 ANNE | Mhm. Alberta.
00:11:57 ANGUS | Alberta. [Pause] And their family—
00:12:08 ANNE | Oh, right.
00:12:08 ANGUS | Donald [inaudible 00:12:10] married Catherine Morrison, Kate. 00:12:14 And they lived in Vancouver. Donald Francis, their oldest boy, married Anne.
00:12:28 ANNE | Mhm. I've met her. Mhm.
00:12:29 ANGUS | Yeah. And they—they have two boys. Adopted boys 00:12:34
00:12:35 ANNE | Oh, are they adopted?
00:12:37 ANGUS | Yeah. They put that down here. [Inaudible]
00:12:40 ANNE | That's nice to know.
00:12:41 ANGUS | Neil was a priest with the Oblates in Peru. And Alex... married… [inaudible 00:12:55]
00:12:58 ANNE | Mhm.
00:13:01 ANGUS | In Calgary [inaudible]
00:13:08 ANNE | It's Terry [inaudible]?
00:13:10 ANGUS | What?
00:13:11 ANNE | Was this Alex and Terry, is it?
00:13:13 ANGUS | Yeah, Terry, yeah. [Inaudible]
00:13:17 ANNE | And they have two children, I think.
00:13:20 ANGUS | Two children, yeah.
00:13:29 ANNE | Then Mary...
00:13:29 ANGUS | Mary and Stan.
00:13:32 ANNE | And Stan, Right.
00:13:33 ANGUS | Look a—
00:13:33 ANNE | [Inaudible] two children.
00:13:35 ANGUS | They live in Montreal.
00:13:36 ANNE | That I know.
00:13:37 ANGUS | Beg your pardon?
00:13:37 ANNE | That I know. I know them pretty well.
00:13:40 ANGUS | Do you? [Inaudible 00:13:41] Then John Angus married Vicky…
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00:13:52 ANNE | Language? Hm.
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00:13:53 ANGUS | [Inaudible] They have one son. I had heard [inaudible 00:14:02] South Africa. They lived in South Africa. [Inaudible 00:14:11]
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00:14:11 ANNE | Oh yes, [inaudible]
00:14:20 ANGUS | He met her there and he married her.
00:14:23 ANNE | Mhm. Vicky was [inaudible] doctor remember?
00:14:27 ANGUS | What was that?
00:14:28 ANNE | He was a doctor, on—
00:14:29 ANGUS | Yeah, a doctor. Yes. And then the youngest girl was Patricia. She's a teacher in Mission, BC.
00:14:45 ANNE | Ah, mhm.
00:14:47 ANGUS | Oh. The Family—
00:14:51 ANNE | Who's this fellow?
00:14:54 ANGUS | It's—I don't know [inaudible 00:14:55]
00:14:55 ANNE | [Laughs] … That's you people.
00:15:02 ANGUS | Yeah, actually. That—it was [inaudible] Donald–[inaudible] continuation. Yeah.
00:15:08 ANNE | Yeah, now you're at Angus.
00:15:10 ANGUS | Angus. The second son. And married Lillian McGaughey. They were married in Clandonald,1933. And the children were Lillian—and she married Harry Barker, and they have four girls. She died [inaudible 00:15:38]
00:15:38 ANNE | What year did she die?
00:15:40 ANGUS | She was...
00:15:43 ANNE | A few years ago, eh?
00:15:43 ANGUS | Yes, a few years. Five years. [inaudible 00:15:45] Margaret married Louie Dureau. They moved to Prince George. 00:15:59 They have one boy, four girls, all around about your age. And Nora married Harry—Larry Lowe. They have one boy and three girls. Michael married Gay Sisach. And...
00:16:44 ANNE | They're in Spokane.
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00:16:45 ANGUS | Spokane. Spokane, Washington… yeah. They have one boy, two girls—or three girls, three girls. They have one boy, and three girls. No, it's a mistake. 00:17:10 Then Peter married Margaret Morrison—Peggy. [Inaudible 00:17:19] sister of... [inaudible]
00:17:28 ANNE | Oh, yeah, look at that.
00:17:28 ANGUS | [inaudible] Katie. [Inaudible] sister of Kate Morrison. [Pause] And Peter… Yeah. Both deceased. Peter [inaudible 00:17:59] was killed during the war, in Italy. Angus was the oldest boy. He married Jeanie. They live in Cranbrook. They have two children. Neil married Rae Marie MacInnes. They have three children. They live in Vancouver. And Marion Clair married Cy Brandolini, and they have five children. Mary married Ken Baxter. They have five children. Patricia is a Sister of Providence.
00:18:59 ANNE | Sisters of St Joseph, she is.
00:19:02 ANGUS | Pardon?
00:19:02 ANNE | Of St Joseph.
00:19:06 ANGUS | Oh, of St Joseph, yeah. Angus John—John Angus, my brother, married Helen Bowie. They lived in Richmond. Joanne is a Sister of Atonement. No trouble in this family. 00:19:30
00:19:31 ANNE | No, I know, [inaudible].
00:19:33 ANGUS | [Inaudible] Won't come to me right now. Anyway… They have two sons now.
00:19:53 ANNE | Yeah, that's right. That's...
00:19:58 ANGUS | [Inaudible] and Malcom and Lori, they have two—well, they had two, but I don't know how we didn't put the two in there. And Patricia is not married. She's a teacher. Debbie is now married.
00:20:19 ANNE | This is Pat—Patrick.
00:20:22 ANGUS | Oh, yeah. Oh, I—
00:20:24 ANNE | [Inaudible] Angus is Patrick. Yeah. Who's in Toronto.
00:20:27 ANGUS | And who we didn't have—we haven't got Patricia.
00:20:32 ANNE | Patricia's—you're thinking of Uncle Donald's—yeah.
00:20:34 ANGUS | Oh, yeah. [Inaudible]
00:20:36 ANNE | So many names here.
00:20:37 ANGUS | Yeah. And Debbie, yeah. Debbie's married now.
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00:20:43 ANNE | Mhm. Right. To, uh...
00:20:44 ANGUS | Donna.
00:20:45 ANNE | Right.
00:20:47 ANGUS | That's, I think, two girls. The family were, uh—Catherine married Donald MacPhee. He was also from Clandonald. Born there, he was. They're both deceased. They lived in Clandonald, and had a girl, Mary Theresa, who is still... [inaudible 00:21:13]. Marion, Morag—[inaudible 00:21:24]... married Roy Cary. Their family was Herb… Neil, who married Joyce. James—Roy James, also a Joyce—married a Joyce. And they have three children. And Neil now has a son. Mary married Malcom Dickie, and they have three children. So that's—that's [inaudible 00:22:09]. Oh, Neil, continued… this is...
00:22:18 ANNE | This is my dad now.
00:22:19 ANGUS | That's your dad. So, you can’t make that up.
00:22:22 ANNE | Yeah.
00:22:23 ANGUS | Yeah. [Inaudible]
00:22:25 ANNE | Well, it's—yeah. This is a little typo here. My mother's name is -ez.
00:22:32 ANGUS | What?
00:22:33 ANNE | It should be -ez, instead of -ze. Just so we—
00:22:36 ANGUS | Oh yeah, the other way.
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00:22:38 ANNE | And this should be a D.
00:22:41 ANGUS | Yeah, MacDermid.
00:22:43 ANNE | And you have—
00:22:44 ANGUS | You can fill that—
00:22:45 ANNE | Yeah. The order is...
00:22:49 ANGUS | Is the order right?
00:22:49 ANNE | No, you have me way down here but—
00:22:52 ANGUS | Oh my goodness.
00:22:53 ANNE | —I'm the second oldest.
00:22:55 ANGUS | Yes, I know.
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00:22:55 ANNE | Got to get that straight.
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00:22:56 ANGUS | Yeah, damn right!
00:22:57 ANNE | Three... four... five... six... seven. That's how it goes.
00:23:05 ANGUS | And now on [inaudible]
00:23:08 ANNE | Mhm.
00:23:09 ANGUS | Now we come to Macaulay of Loch Carnan. Oh, it's the same thing. Is that the [inaudible 00:23:19] ?
00:23:20 ANNE | No.
00:23:22 ANGUS | Because he—
00:23:24 ANNE | This is a whole other list of people now. I don't know who these are. Mary…?
00:23:29 ANGUS | Oh, yes.
00:23:31 ANNE | This is another set—?
00:23:32 ANGUS | No, this is... Anne—Anan. 00:23:34 And she had a son. She married Fergus MacInnes in Loch Carnan. This is my father's—This is the original 00:23:47 Macaulays, and this is—we're continuing, you see, with my father's grandchildren. And this is—
00:23:59 ANNE | Oh yeah, we're at... Mary now.
00:24:02 ANGUS | This Mary.
00:24:03 ANNE | Oh, yeah, right, of course.
00:24:05 ANGUS | She was Mary Ann—Mary, not—
00:24:06 ANNE | Yeah we got kinda—we stop—kinda of stopped with your dad. There's still all these children to go through.
00:24:11 ANGUS | No, no. This is Mary, and John... he joined the Navy during the war—the first World War—and was killed somewhere... drowned at sea I guess.
00:24:29 ANNE | Mhm.
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00:24:33 ANGUS | Angus and John both drowned in Loch Carnan. Soon after a son was born to Donald—that was the story I was telling at the beginning, now it comes up here—to Donald and Morag, and was named Angus John, after the two brothers. Now you get Angus John, and married Sara MacDonald. Married a MacDonald in Australia. They married in Sydney, Australia. Angus John emigrated there about 19—18—who knows. 18... just sort of around the turn of the century. However… and he was an inspector on the Sydney Police. They'd one boy, Colin Campbell. He married Wendy, and they had one daughter, Mary. So when he died, it was [inaudible 00:25:47]
00:25:47 ANNE | Mhm.
00:25:48 ANGUS | It finished the [inaudible 00:25:49] the branch. What's it—this now, this is—I don't know. They had one daughter, Mary. [Inaudible 00:26:09] Hm... [inaudible] Emigrated, Colin Campbell, Wendy... They have one daughter, Mary. But then, come down [inaudible 00:26:35]. Mary... she... [inaudible 00:26:41]. Well, anyway, we go on to...[inaudible 00:26:51]
00:26:52 ANNE | Mhm, mhm.
00:26:54 ANGUS | Colin was the youngest son. And he married—I think she was a MacDonald. They haven't given a name here. [Inaudible]
00:27:11 ANNE | Here?
00:27:13 ANGUS | I guess—yeah, I guess—
00:27:13 ANNE | Mary Campbell, here you mean?
00:27:19 ANGUS | No. Donald married—his son, Donald, married... well, the line of 00:27:26 Campbell [inaudible 00:27:30]. Colin married—I think she was a—
00:27:32 ANNE | Oh, Colin married a MacDonald.
00:27:34 ANGUS | Yeah, a MacDonald.
00:27:35 ANNE | Oh, I see.
00:27:36 ANGUS | And that’s something that... Cathie, maybe, if she's shown this, could check. Well, the oldest son was Donald. They have two children. Donald died shortly after the last war—during the last war, sometime. And his wife remarried. 00:28:06 Then there was Morag, who was a district nurse. She married John MacDonald. They had one son, who's still in Uist. And Bella married Angus MacDonald. They did not have a family. Bella… married Angus MacDonald—he was our cousin on the other side, on the MacDonald side.
00:28:48 ANNE | Oh yes.
00:28:49 ANGUS | Yeah. There's a story 00:28:49 can come later. Donald John married Morag MacDonald. They all were getting married to the MacDonalds [inaudible 00:29:00]
00:29:01 ANNE | Wow, MacDonalds. Yeah, yeah.
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00:29:01 ANGUS | And she's—she was... she was [inaudible 00:29:13]. Oh yes, this Angus John, he was quite the young [inaudible 00:29:29] young man when he got married to a school teacher, and he died shortly after you were born. Maybe a year or two years.
00:29:41 ANNE | Oh, it's sad, eh?
00:29:42 ANGUS | And he was a very nice... Met him during the war [inaudible 00:29:49] You read that.
00:29:57 ANNE | “These are the children of Donald—,” how do you say it?
00:30:00 ANGUS | Ruch'na jajkin. Ruch is red.
00:30:05 ANNE | Oh, yes. “—Macaulay. There are other Macaulays in South Uist and on Benbecula, who are all of the original family. One of these was—,” P.M. stands for?
00:30:21 ANGUS | Pipe Major.
00:30:22 ANNE | “Pipe Major,” okay, “Angus Macaulay, of the Lovat Scouts in World War I, and well known as one of the foremost pipers. He had a pipe shop in London. He emigrated to New Zealand after World War II. He was in demand as a piping judge and instructor. His father was George Macaulay and lived in Nuntown, Benbecula.”
00:30:48 ANGUS | That's right.
00:30:50 ANNE | Hm. “The Curies were also—,”
00:30:52 ANGUS | Curries.
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00:30:53 ANNE | Curries? “Curries were also related to the Macaulays. Duncan was my piping teacher.” That's your piping teacher?
00:31:00 ANGUS | Yes.
00:31:00 ANNE | Oh, okay. “He and his brother James lived together in Glasgow. Their brother Anthony remained on the croft in Loch Carnan, close to the old Macaulay home.” Hm.
00:31:14 ANGUS | That's right. McInneses—
00:31:16 ANNE | “The MacInneses,” yeah, that's father Allan's people, “were also close relations, and lived nearby at Loch Carnan. Mrs. MacDonald, Donald McDonald's mother, of Vancouver, was a Macaulay and a close relation. She was raised by Anthony Currie in Loch Carnan.”
00:31:36 ANGUS | That's right.
00:31:37 ANNE | How does Mary MacDonald fit into that? Is that any relation to Mary?
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00:31:41 ANGUS | Which Mary?
00:31:42 ANNE | Who lived in—she used to live in Ottawa, and now—
00:31:47 ANGUS | Yeah, in the lighthouse.
00:31:48 ANNE | And that's the—
00:31:49 ANGUS | And is a Macdonald
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00:31:49 ANNE | Okay.
00:31:50 ANGUS | And we weren't finished with the Macaulays.
00:31:52 ANNE | Oh, that's in the Macaulays?
00:31:54 ANGUS | That's in the Macaulays. And then we come to MacDonalds. 00:31:58
00:32:00 ANNE | Oh, that's my grandmother's side.
00:32:03 ANGUS | Yeah. And Alaisdair, Mhor, Macdonald. Mhor is “big.”
00:32:11 ANNE | Big?
00:32:12 ANGUS | Yeah. So when you look—
00:32:14 ANNE | He was a big man?
00:32:15 ANGUS | Big man [inaudible]
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00:32:32 ANGUS | Mhor MacDonald, and his family was Roderick, and Angus, who is [inaudible 00:32:39] . Mary, and Flora. Roderick, the oldest, emigrated to Toronto. Their family still lives there. Neil—
00:33:00 ANNE | So they would be relatives of us.
00:33:02 ANGUS | Yes. They were first cousins of my mother. And there's one of the—[clears throat] that part of Vancouver, married Jim Maclaine [inaudible 00:33:21] after the war. Neil... this is not right. It wasn't Roderick that emigrated, it was Neil. You see there—and actually, he's up here. No, no, no question. 00:33:39
00:33:40 ANNE | So it's Neil who emigrated?
00:33:43 ANGUS | Yeah, sure. No, score that down. Yeah. It was Neil that emigrated. Yeah, that's right. It was Neil. Neil Macaulay [inaudible 00:33:57] Alasdair Mhor.
00:33:59 ANNE | Oh boy, what a tongue twister.
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00:34:00 ANGUS | [Inaudible] Yeah. That's good. And they had quite a family. I met Ronalda. You know that—you've got pictures somewhere, yeah? Well, your mother was showing me something in the album. And Ronalda, she was a nurse in Toronto. They married there, years ago. [Inaudible 00:34:32] Roderick, Angus [inaudible], Jesse, and Ann. Angus—this is the family of Angus, this is our grandfather's family—married Catherine. [Inaudible 00:34:57] That’s the daughter of Angus—young—young Angus. Yeah. Morrison. Now you come to the Morrisons of South Boisdale, in South Uist. Mary married Neil Macaulay. Family is under Macaulay. Francis. They had two children, married a Glasgow girl, same thing. But he was killed... some time... [Inaudible 00:35:37]. John married Nellie, in Glasgow, and emigrated to Toronto around the turn of the century. About the same [Inaudible 00:35:55]
00:36:02 ANNE | Oh, above this?
00:36:03 ANGUS | Neil. No—
00:36:04 ANNE | Neil, that's right. That's right.
00:36:05 ANGUS | Scratch it—scratch out [inaudible 00:36:08] I mean this.
00:36:10 ANNE | Yeah.
00:36:10 ANGUS | Yeah. That's good. Emigrated to Toronto. And they had a large family. Angus [inaudible 00:36:19] all this. One of them… married—two cousins got married, anyway. I think it was a second cousin, but—I think it was this one here. And they live in Toronto.
00:36:41 ANNE | Mhm. So does—when—this is my grandmother, Mary.
00:36:46 ANGUS | That's right.
00:36:47 ANNE | When she came to Canada then, her brother was already here.
00:36:51 ANGUS | Yes.
00:36:52 ANNE | Ah.
00:36:52 ANGUS | So—she never saw him.
00:36:53 ANNE | She never saw him?
00:36:55 ANGUS | No.
00:36:56 ANNE | How come?
00:36:57 ANGUS | Well, Toronto is a long ways from [inaudible 00:36:59]
00:36:59 ANNE | Mhm, in those days.
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00:37:00 ANGUS | And we made arrangements one time for her to go there. And she started out to go, and then on the way, she called and... at this end, 00:37:11 Flora, she was more or less on her deathbed. And she stayed with her until she died, and of course she got so upset.. And she—your dad went along with her. Your dad was going to go all the way to Toronto with her. We had it all arranged.
00:37:31 ANNE | Yeah.
00:37:32 ANGUS | But they didn't go back. They didn't go. But then—
00:37:35 ANNE | How old was my dad then?
00:37:38 ANGUS | Well, he—he wasn't very old. He was... would've been about the first big crop we got, yes. Which was—it was about 1930.
00:37:54 ANNE | And you came over in twenty...
00:37:56 ANGUS | We come over in '24.
00:38:01 ANNE | So six—so dad would've been maybe—he was seven when he came over, so he would've been about thirteen then?
00:38:05 ANGUS | Yes. What—how old?
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00:38:08 ANNE | About thirteen?
00:38:09 ANGUS | Yeah, something like that. Yeah. And so I said, family—
00:38:15 ANNE | Ah, so she never saw him.
00:38:16 ANGUS | No.
00:38:18 ANNE | Oh, wow.
00:38:19 ANGUS | Alec was… next, and he married Flora Morrison. They had no family. And she was related to the Morrisons. And not close, but—well, it was a question of the time they [inaudible 00:38:43]. And Archie... [sneezes]
00:38:49 ANNE | Oh, bless you.
00:38:53 ANGUS | Archie, who was the one who—who's a school teacher in Benbecula married Bella Mor—
00:39:07 ANNE | Macaulay—somebody—that's a little typing...
00:39:07 ANGUS | That's not right. Yes. But she married [inaudible 00:39:16], Elizabeth. Yeah. And now we get Angus, the son—their son—married Bella Macaulay.
00:39:28 ANNE | Oh. Here's…
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00:39:31 ANGUS | [Inaudible] So you have [inaudible], that's where we have the two cousins in one family, but they're not related to one another. Uncle Colin's daughter, you see. Yes, and they lived in Iochdar. Now Mary—the daughter of this Mary—never married. And when my grandfather went back to Uist after we—he left—Peter took him to live with Mary. But she come out—and then he—come back out—no. That's right. He died in the hospital in... my grandpa died in the hospital in Loch Boisdale... after that. Now, Flora was this daughter. And she married Roderick MacPhee. And their family with Hugh—Hugh MacPhee...
00:40:52 ANNE | Oh, Hughie.
00:40:53 ANGUS | Hughie.
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00:40:53 ANNE | Yeah, sure.
00:40:54 ANGUS | That's—that's what he—
00:40:55 ANNE | From Clandonald.
00:40:56 ANGUS | From Clandonald.
00:40:57 ANNE | I met him.
00:40:59 ANGUS | Yeah, I'm sure you did.
00:41:00 ANNE | When I was very young.
00:41:01 ANGUS | He had a big voice.
00:41:02 ANNE | And telling stories all the time.
00:41:04 ANGUS | Oh yeah.
00:41:04 ANNE | Yeah.
00:41:05 ANGUS | [Inaudible] And he married Janet MacQueen. They emigrated to Canada in 1923 and lived at Clandonald. And... Father MacQueen 00:41:21 is a nephew of hers. And Alec, the son, married Steven, a Ukrainian girl from Clandonald—of Clandonald has a million—they have a large family. And John—this is the son of Flora—was killed in World War I, in the army. He was killed in France. Mary... that was Mary MacPhee, you know, the one who married—mother used to always talk about. And she was a housekeeper. [Inaudible 00:42:20] Father Gilles, at Clandonald, for a number of years. Then she—later [inaudible 00:42:30] to another priest. Well, now you come to the Morrisons.
00:42:39 ANNE | Oh wow.
00:42:41 ANGUS | This is Catherine Morrison. Ian Inog... 00:42:45 You can read that.
00:42:50 ANNE | Is that—who's—is that—
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00:42:53 ANGUS | That's my—my grandmother. My grandmother, your great grandmother.
00:42:58 ANNE | Yeah, your mother's mother.
00:42:59 ANGUS | My mother's—yeah.
00:43:01 ANNE | Ah, yes, okay. So, “Angus and Catherine met when they worked on the small island of Vatersay...?”
00:43:09 ANGUS | Yes.
00:43:09 ANNE | “Near Barra. Vatersay was then all one farm. Tenant of Lady Gordon Cathcart ,who also owned Barra and South Uist. Vatersay was later broken up into small crofts about 1890. Angus and Catherine went out to Greenock 00:43:29 and were married there. Mary, our mother, was born there. Later, they moved to Glasgow, where Angus worked as as docker a longshore—”
00:43:43 ANGUS | [Inaudible] Longshoreman. That's what you call them here.
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00:43:48 ANNE | “The Morrisons of South Boisdale had a large family; two sons and nine daughters. This is the reason we have so many relations on this side of the family. And they all have families—many in Canada.” A lot of [inaudible 00:44:04], eh?
00:44:05 ANGUS | Yeah. [Inaudible] Oh yeah, the family of Ian Og Morrison, Boisdale. It goes into that side of the family. [Inaudible 00:44:23] Peter was the oldest.
00:44:27 ANNE | Who's Ian?
00:44:29ANGUS | Ian. Yeah, he's—yeah. That's—when they tell northern—yeah.
00:44:35 ANNE | Oh.
00:44:36 ANGUS | Yeah, that's...
00:44:36 ANNE | Okay. Oh, I see.
00:44:40 ANGUS | Ian Og.
00:44:43 ANNE | So in other words, your grandmother's family.
00:44:45 ANGUS | Yes.
00:44:46 ANNE | Oh, okay.
00:44:46 ANGUS | This is [inaudible] family. And... Malcom—there's a Malcom, you know. We used to all talk. And [inaudible 00:44:58] Malcom... dear Angus called Malcom, after this Malcom.
00:45:06 ANNE | Oh, is that right.
00:45:09 ANGUS | When my father died, he used to come... he'd always come to us... we looked up to him, you know. He more or less replaced our father [inaudible 00:45:22]. Then we come to Canada—they were already in Canada, and down at Red Deer. So we [inaudible 00:45:32] like dear Angus. spent a lot of time there as a young boy. And we all did [inaudible 00:45:38], they were just outside the [00:45:42] school that they emigrated to [inaudible 00:45:46] where we lived for two years. What's this—They came to Canada in '23. They settled in Red Deer, where their son still farms. Yeah. Others of the family settled around Red Deer and Calgary. [Inaudible 00:46:12] And the next I found 00:46:16 was Margaret. She married Donald MacInnes. And he was from Loch Carnan. Same kind of MacInneses that Father Allan was born. And they were very close to us in Glasgow. When they got married, they... they spent a lot—[Inaudible 00:46:47] spent a lot of time with all the kids. The kids, they'd be around their house all the time. The family was Peter, Angus, and Margaret. And Mary... a Mary in this family. And she married Alasdair MacIntyre, and they come out to Canada in '23, in the first emigration [inaudible 00:47:19]. And they settled near Camrose.
00:47:26 ANNE | Where's that?
00:47:27 ANGUS | That's in Alberta. And the son—they had a very large family. I didn't know who they were, and with this—he come to the reunion. And he now makes his home at White Rock, BC. He was in the navy during the war. Others of the family lived in Vancouver and Alberta. Now, the others—other people who were—there were some there, and then there was this Callum, who has two boys and a family [inaudible 00:48:06] three boys, and all them girls. Anyway, Callum had two—he had two sons, Peter and Donald, and both were ordained priests. But the first from that island. And they were Educated in Spain. Both died young from an epidemic that went through the island in 1890, or thereabouts. A very bad one. And the priests of course were expected to, you know—nursing. When many were afraid to go near them, you know? So—
00:48:59 ANNE | And they both died?
00:49:01 ANGUS | They both died young. Don't know [inaudible 00:49:05]. Now we'll come to Catherine.
00:49:08 ANNE | So that's your grandmother?
00:49:10 ANGUS | Is married—yes, her grandparents. 00:49:12 Son of Alisdair (Mhor) MacDonald, Family under the MacDonalds. Marion, Morag...[inaudible 00:49:27] Boisdale. Angus... married Morag... well, yeah. She married MacIntyre, [inaudible 00:49:45]. And that with Womma, you remember?
00:49:49 ANNE | Yeah?
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00:49:50 ANGUS | Yeah.
00:49:50 ANNE | Yeah.
00:49:51 ANGUS | [Inaudible] where she come from. And this—and Angus was her older brother. He emigrated to Canada in 1923, settled in Westlock, Alberta. And the family's still there. That was—they were MacIntyres. Ian and Alec, they were both in the army, and they had other family—no record at present. Ian, Ianch, he stayed in Uist. He lived on the croft in Loch Boisdale. And he had one son. And Matilda, she never married, and she stayed with Ian after his wife died, and looked after their son, raising his son. And they still were living there when we went over during the war. Margaret married Malcom MacDonald, [Inaudible 00:50:57] Womma. You can [inaudible 00:50:58] Womma.
00:50:58 ANNE | Oh, that's [inaudible]. How do you spell it? W-O...M-M-A?
00:51:05 ANGUS | Yeah, it's something like that.
00:51:05 ANNE | Something like that.
00:51:06 ANGUS | Godmother is put under it.
00:51:07 ANNE | Oh, yes, right.
00:51:09 ANGUS | Godmother—all the family except him died. And she had [inaudible 00:51:12] married this Malcolm MacDonald. So she was never the godmother. 00:51:12
00:51:20 ANNE | Oh, I see. She wasn't married, yeah, when she was godmother. [Inaudible. 00:51:20]
00:51:24 ANGUS | No, she—she was... working for big families, looking after the children. What do you call ‘em?
00:51:38 ANNE | Like a nanny, sort of.
00:51:40 ANGUS | Not an [inaudible 00:51:39]--nanny. Yeah. Now you can read—as a young girl, Margaret came out to Glasgow, and made her home with her Aunt, you know, Catherine. She was like a sister to my—[inaudible 00:52:02] there, you can read that.
00:52:04 ANNE | “She was like a sister to my mother, Mary, who called on her to be godmother to her family, except Neil. After she married, they emigrated to Canada in 1923, and settled in Didsbury, then moved to Clandonald.” Oh, so she was around when you were growing up here in Canada, too.
00:52:27 ANGUS | Yes. Well, they always—and they were not too far from—after I got married, [inaudible 00:52:36] Clandonald. So we saw a lot of them. And that's Mary, there, that you were talking about.
00:52:48 ANNE | Oh, that's Mary, okay.
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00:52:50 ANGUS | A nurse.
00:52:50 ANNE | Yeah, the nurse, [inaudible 00:52:51]. [Pause] I see.
00:53:03 ANGUS | They emigrate [inaudible 00:53:03]—
00:53:03 ANNE | That's her—her daughter. Yeah, Womma's daughter.
00:53:07 ANGUS | Yeah, Womma's daughter, yeah. Angus was the oldest. The order's not right here. Mary should be the second.
00:53:18 ANNE | Oh.
00:53:19 ANGUS | Or—after Angus. And they were both born in Glasgow [inaudible 00:53:23]. And then John, and Marion, Morag—she married Conway—George Conway. [Inaudible 00:53:41]. The family of Iain Og Morrison, Boisdale. Oh. [Pause] So they... yeah. That's... all this... is a good end 00:54:10 of the Morrison family was scattered all over [inaudible 00:54:14]. That's why we've got so many relations, if you read this down here.
00:54:21 ANNE | “There are also many more related to us through Iain Og Morrison. As you can see, there was much intermarriage between the Morrisons and other branches of the family.” [Chuckles] That's for sure. Oh, that's great.
00:54:35 ANGUS | So, [inaudible 00:54:35]
00:54:36 ANNE | Oh, yeah.
00:54:37 ANGUS | [Inaudible]
00:54:37 ANNE | Yeah, that's a very big help.
00:54:39 ANGUS | What is this...
00:54:41 ANNE | Uh, the Campbells?
00:54:43 ANGUS | Oh, yes. Now we've come to the—Morag Campbell. We don't know too much, that's why there isn't... yeah. Morag Campbell.
00:54:53 ANNE | That would be...?
00:54:54 ANGUS | My—my great grandparents, and your great-great-grandparents. And we never—I don't remember them, because the first time we were back in Uist, they were both dead, see? Morag Campbell was born at Peters Port, at the South East corner of Benbecula. So on that map that... I gave to Cathie, it's marked, “Home of the Campbells.” A pier was built, but it was seldom used, as many small islands, and one large island, which is the [inaudible 00:55:42], and it obstructed the entrance to the pier. There was a lot of ships were… There wasn't a lot of ships, so they didn't—and that's why they turned around and they used Loch Carnan more. It was a safer harbour. The boats would come and just anchor there. There was no pier.
00:56:18 ANNE | I see.
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00:56:18 ANGUS | I don't know if there's one there now or not. Now you go... this is the son of another... [inaudible 00:56:33] a brother. A brother.
00:56:36 ANNE | Morag's children, right?
00:56:38 ANGUS | No. Let me see—yeah, something like that. These are cousins of my father, first cousins. So there must've been... there must've been a... [inaudible 00:56:53] must've been children of a brother of Morag, I guess.
00:56:59 ANNE | Oh, because they're Campbells, yeah.
00:57:00 ANGUS | Yeah, they're Campbells, you see? And he had a store right on the pier. And they don't know much about the family. Duncan Campbell, I remember seeing him. He was a shoemaker, and had a shop in Benbecula. Morag Ann Campbell, I remember her. She stayed at our place in Glasgow during World War I, and was a cousin. [Inaudible 00:57:34]. Now this Roderick, read this now.
00:57:39 ANNE | “Roderick Campbell was from South Boisdale. He was a famous bard and poet.” Ah, Cathie will love that.
00:57:48 ANGUS | Yeah.
00:57:48 ANNE | “He had a book of songs and poems printed. His nephew, also Roderick Campbell, The Case,”
00:57:56 ANGUS | Case.
00:57:56 ANNE | That was his nickname, hm?
00:57:57 ANGUS | That was his nickname.
00:57:58 ANNE | “Was a well known composer of songs. He was a deep-sea sailor and sailed out of Vancouver for a time.”
00:58:07 ANGUS | I met him and this, [inaudible 00:58:11] John at... MacInesses... [inaudible 00:58:19] bunch of [inaudible] collect these…
00:58:23 ANNE | Older? Yeah.
00:58:23 ANGUS | Older songs. And they had them [inaudible 00:58:26]. This Captain Angus Campbell—you read that.
00:58:32 ANNE | Okay. “With his family, he lived in Vancouver for a time. He died before World War II, and his family returned to Paisley, near Glasgow. He is remembered for wrecking his ship off his old home port, Peters Port, although it was a very dangerous port.”
00:58:54 ANGUS | Yeah.
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00:58:54 ANNE | Oh, poor guy, eh? [Chuckles]
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00:58:56 ANGUS | That's his...
00:58:59 ANNE | That's his claim to fame.
00:58:59 ANGUS | That's his claim to fame, yeah. [Inaudible 00:59:02] Currie said, “Ah, the son of a gun, he go and just wreck it right at his doorstep.” And Lord knows that he helped the company wreck it so they could get the insurance.
00:59:25 ANNE | Oh dear.
00:59:26 ANGUS | That was the... well, I'd better get.
00:59:28 ANNE | Yeah, we'd better get going. Thank you so much.
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